If Dee leaves the band...? Should TS continue with New Singer?
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Posted 2014-09-15 5:24 PM (#34269)
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Ya know stranger things have happened!!

Time will tell....

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Posted 2014-09-16 3:01 AM (#34270 - in reply to #34269)
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Nope.
I think few more years would be perfect, and that's it.
Oh yeah, and one more album for us, the FANS
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Posted 2014-09-16 10:40 AM (#34272 - in reply to #34269)
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Yep. They are in so F£$@kin' great form that they easily pull a few years more of TS in top notch form. But if they go out, they gotta go out with Dee on vocals. The other guys can play with some other project name, but it really is not TS without Dees voice and he wrote 100% of the songs as well - well not the Leader of the Gay Pack, that is a cover.

Allthou, again and still I would like to hear T.V. Wife with JJ on vocals!
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Posted 2014-09-16 12:17 PM (#34273 - in reply to #34269)
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Posted 2014-09-16 3:21 PM (#34275 - in reply to #34269)
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No chance,can't imagine Twisted Sister without Dee.
Would not work because Dee is a great frontman.
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Posted 2014-09-16 10:52 PM (#34278 - in reply to #34269)
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I remember when Love Is For Suckers came out. When I peeled the cellophane off the album and put it on, the sound just wasn't Twisted Sister. The first thing I noticed? The drums. That's right. I looked at the liner notes, and sure enough, no A.J. Pero. I remember being upset. Okay, in fairness, I was 17, so I made a production number drama out of everything, but I felt like it wasn't the TS that I knew anymore. And in truth, it wasn't….it was something a little different.

Now interestingly, I just saw Joe Franco play as a part of Dee's solo band (who are really awesome, by the way) and they played several Twisted Sister songs. Did it sound like Twisted Sister? Well….yes….and no. Vocally, yes--of course--it was Dee singing. But the guitar lines, the rhythm section--you could definitely tell it was not Twisted Sister playing. I enjoyed it nevertheless. So the issue of could there be Twisted Sister without Dee? Well. I hate to even ponder that question because I love seeing all 5 play together. I think we would get a different feel and really, a different vibe of a band. I would not expect another singer to be "Dee"--let's face it, there's only one. But could another artist cover Dee's songs/vocals WITH Twisted Sister and do the songs justice?

I think that all depends on the singer. We would need someone who could sing well, rock hard and engage the audience. Hmmmmmm. have to give this one some thought. {wonder if Lemmy is available….]
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Posted 2014-09-17 8:32 PM (#34281 - in reply to #34269)
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NO WAY!!! I bet that the rest of the band members have no interest in doing so also. Dee is not just a great frontman, he is THE BEST frontman of ALL TIME Period!! Dee encompasses EVERYTHING that a frontman should be. Nobody commands a crowd like Dee Snider & maybe one day when they decide to finally call it a day, everybody will realize what a unbelievable perform he was. Until then.....Let's hear some 2015 dates!
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Posted 2014-09-17 9:23 PM (#34282 - in reply to #34269)
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That would be like Zeppelin without John Bonham. Ironically, the way I got so into TS was as a result of an email from Sam Ash that read, "Sing With Twisted Sister". Back in 2008, TS actually had a contest to win a spot as singer with the band. They were doing an instore at Sam Ash in LI and Dee could not be there for some reason. I was on the Sam Ash email list, so I got the invite. I went through the entire TS catalog and could not find one song I could do as well, (MAYBE Leader of The Pack...) So I did not enter the contest but I did go to their instore at J & R that year. It was only due to my ignorance that I was even able to think about entering that contest. Once I realized how awesome Dee Snider was as a singer and a frontman, I mean, ... seriously? And did you see those pics from the Best Buy show? Where are you gonna find a 60 year old singer with that body? Even Mick Jagger never looked that fit at 60!
I should not even qualify this question with a response, but here goes- NO WAY!
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Posted 2014-09-19 4:00 PM (#34287 - in reply to #34269)
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no but i could see TS doing a one off show in NYC with several guests singers
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Posted 2014-09-21 3:34 AM (#34291 - in reply to #34269)
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Posted 2014-09-21 8:25 PM (#34299 - in reply to #34287)
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tssmf4lyfe - 2014-09-19 4:00 PM

no but i could see TS doing a one off show in NYC with several guests singers


Which singers would be dumb enough to try to fill those shoes? It's like when people do covers on an album- there are some singers you just don't cover- Aretha Franklin, Tina Turner, ...Dee Snider!
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Posted 2014-09-22 6:54 PM (#34304 - in reply to #34299)
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I think Armadillo could do it.
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Posted 2014-09-22 8:24 PM (#34305 - in reply to #34304)
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Fast Joey - 2014-09-22 6:54 PM

I think Armadillo could do it.


Do what? Help me sweep the stage? Seroiusly though. There is no one who could do it.I know people could do an homage but not a show. Even younger guys could not hold a candle to him. Just before TS went on at the Best Buy, Jeff Scott Soto who I think is awesome, closed the Adrenelin Mob set. He is a great singer but not Dee. I had a dream that Miles Kennedy was singing along at a show and all the other rock stars in the audience told him to shut up. There is no one who can do it...
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Posted 2014-09-23 10:11 AM (#34306 - in reply to #34305)
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Ok I take that back. Maybe one guy. I thought of Celebration Day and of Jason Bonham is any indication of the power of DNA , then maybe Jessie Blaze could do it.
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Posted 2014-09-24 4:40 PM (#34308 - in reply to #34299)
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nancyde - 2014-09-21 8:25 PM

tssmf4lyfe - 2014-09-19 4:00 PM

no but i could see TS doing a one off show in NYC with several guests singers


Which singers would be dumb enough to try to fill those shoes? It's like when people do covers on an album- there are some singers you just don't cover- Aretha Franklin, Tina Turner, ...Dee Snider!


just get a bunch of their friends up there and each do a song. which bands are TS friends with?overkill, anthrax, sebastian bach, motorhead?
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Posted 2014-09-25 12:07 AM (#34309 - in reply to #34308)
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What would they sing? Dirges? A requiem ? That's what I'd sing cause it would be the death of TS. Really. And you know that.
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Posted 2014-09-25 10:38 AM (#34310 - in reply to #34309)
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nancyde - 2014-09-25 12:07 AM

What would they sing? Dirges? A requiem ? That's what I'd sing cause it would be the death of TS. Really. And you know that.


there is no shame or "death of TS" is they say ok we are going to say farewell to the fans and dee is busy so are friends are going to help us for this one time only event
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Posted 2014-09-25 1:26 PM (#34311 - in reply to #34269)
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Not so fast.......

Van halen continued, Black sabbath continued, Journey continued, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest. AC/DC, Skid Row, Ratt continued. There are lots more bands I'm sure... All replaced there lead singers....

I mean come on now.... It's certainly possible to get another singer!!!!

Its gonna happen people.... Dee's gonna retire!!!!

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Edited by fountainfan 2014-09-25 1:35 PM
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Posted 2014-09-25 2:06 PM (#34312 - in reply to #34269)
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^^Yes. But none of them replaced the one person that wrote all their songs. I mean, obviously should Dee decide to leave and they want to continue playing together, they got every right in the world to do so and it would be unfair to them to demand to stop, just because Dee wants to stop, but that said, Dee is the face of Twisted Sister. Dee is the one person who wrote all their songs. It just would be all kinds of wrong, if they would continue as Twisted Sister with someone else replacing Dee.
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Posted 2014-09-25 3:51 PM (#34313 - in reply to #34269)
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I've never heard of any other band where 1 guy wrote all the songs???!!

I wonder how the guys in TS feel about that?? Personally, I would feel like crap.... If I was in a band for 10-15 years and didn't contribute 1 song to there catalog...wow....

That's lame on a lot of levels.....

Maybe Dee won't let them do his songs??? Who knows the Legalities on that stuff etc..

Enjoy it while you can kiddies....

JUST MY 2 CENTS..
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Posted 2014-09-25 4:53 PM (#34314 - in reply to #34313)
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I wonder how the guys in TS feel about that?? Personally, I would feel like crap.... If I was in a band for 10-15 years and didn't contribute 1 song to there catalog...wow....


Yeah. I kinda wondered about that too. I mean, Eddie wrote songs for his solo album and Jay Jay wrote songs. So it's not like they don't write at all. It's also not like a Bon Jovi/Megadeth/Whitesnake like situation where the band is a solo act disguised as a band, with one member calling all the shots. Dee is not the founding member of TS. So how did it happen that only Dee's songs got recorded and released on TS albums?
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Posted 2014-09-25 5:35 PM (#34315 - in reply to #34269)
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Dee said in his book that the other members were lazy with writing.
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Posted 2014-09-25 6:10 PM (#34316 - in reply to #34269)
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Dee gave his version of the story in the book. And his song writing is a pretty substantial part of what helped get TS to the top. There are so many things I adore about Jay Jay...his song writing isn't in my top ten list. Jay Jay owns the name and brand. Dee owns the rights to the music. (I believe).

I agree with fountainfan.... Van Halen became Van Hagar. Different band. Different sound. Still kicked ass and had a career after. AC/DC, Judas Priest and Iron Maiden all had other lead singers, made new music and thrived. (And look at that--Rob Halford is back again...fans win all around)
Dee will retire from TS at some point, that's a guarantee. The question will be: Does the rest of the band decide to retire TS or do they rise like a phoenix in a new form, with a new singer, new songs and new sound and find new fans?

Dee Snider performing solo is a great act. It's not Twisted Sister....it's Dee Snider, and he performs some TS songs. Twisted Sister without Dee Snider? Wow. I'm not sure. That one will be tough, but with a strong lead and hmmmm.....maybe some new tunes....we could have a new Twisted Sister. Maybe break out the war paint and pink/black armor to help me warm up to him.

One thing's for sure: the time is coming...so you be ready...to show the world to rock and roll! Day of the Rocker is coming. I challenge each and every SMF out there to see Twisted Sister play live in 2015!

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Posted 2014-09-25 6:20 PM (#34317 - in reply to #34304)
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Fast Joey - 2014-09-22 6:54 PM

I think Armadillo could do it.


Yes, but unfortunately, there's a thing.

There is a height requirement for the job. And I'm a foot too short.
There is also a hair requirement. And I'm as bald as a cue ball.
There's also that singing thing. And my vocal cords are too damaged.
There's the "must-have-a-body-like-a-greek-god" and ruggedly handsome rock star looks....and I'm....well. Need I say it?

So there you have it.
Roadie gnome does not equal rock star. Sorry folks. Auditions to be announced I suppose.
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Posted 2014-09-26 12:16 AM (#34318 - in reply to #34311)
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fountainfan - 2014-09-25 1:26 PM

Not so fast.......

Van halen continued, Black sabbath continued, Journey continued, Iron Maiden, Judas Priest. AC/DC, Skid Row, Ratt continued. There are lots more bands I'm sure... All replaced there lead singers....

I mean come on now.... It's certainly possible to get another singer!!!!

Its gonna happen people.... Dee's gonna retire!!!!

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easier for black sabbath tony and geezer wrote 85% of the material during the ozzy years. some of the bands you mentioned though replaced singers very early on before they broke big or in the case of ratt after they had fizzled out
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Posted 2014-09-26 5:21 AM (#34320 - in reply to #34269)
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Dee is going solo..

Dee will play live under his name only...2015..

TS well.............I think there done... The other guys will have to get other jobs I guess...

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Posted 2014-09-26 9:38 AM (#34321 - in reply to #34269)
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Dee going solo shows that TS unfortunately haven't been successful enough to fill clubs and theaters in America. They do well playing festivals around the world, but haven't been successful playing regular gigs in America.
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Posted 2014-09-26 4:20 PM (#34323 - in reply to #34321)
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Your way off the mark............

Dee obviously wants to play ALL of his music not the same ole TS stuff..

He has the 2 widowmaker albums, Love is for Suckers lp, a solo album called Never let the bastards wear you down.. And the Desperado stuff..

Thats 5 albums worth of his music.... That he does NOT ever play... Maybe he wants a change...
Plus he wants to do other stuff. Get it?

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Posted 2014-09-26 4:47 PM (#34324 - in reply to #34269)
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This might be off topic. But when TS and DEE is done playing . I sure hope their will be great cover bands that will carry on playing their Music.
The same goes for DIO WASP Motörhead and all these great bands that will go away and has. Or we will lose alot of great music, We will Always have
the records but their is nothing like great live act. The originals will go away but the Music should be played from a stage......
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Posted 2014-09-26 8:35 PM (#34325 - in reply to #34269)
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STOP! JUST STOP.
No one has said that Twisted Sister is done! Perhaps done for this year…but NOT DONE YET! Dee doing some solo shows now does NOT mean the band is DONE DONE. So let's not panic, alright?
Let's hold out that Twisted Sister will have a mind-blowing 2015 Tour ahead.

As for Dee's solo shows, I'm guessing Rock10 is speaking about something he hasn't experienced first hand. I have seen Dee's solo show--it was packed, and it rocked out! He played a lot of great stuff--solo songs, Widowmaker, Desperado, cover songs of Priest, Led Zeppelin, AC/DC…. it is a different experience than a TS show, but he definitely had an audience.
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Posted 2014-09-26 11:41 PM (#34326 - in reply to #34323)
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fountainfan - 2014-09-26 4:20 PM

Your way off the mark............

Dee obviously wants to play ALL of his music not the same ole TS stuff..

He has the 2 widowmaker albums, Love is for Suckers lp, a solo album called Never let the bastards wear you down.. And the Desperado stuff..

Thats 5 albums worth of his music.... That he does NOT ever play... Maybe he wants a change...
Plus he wants to do other stuff. Get it?

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If TS is ending, I know Dee wants to leave before he gets old. TS could do songs from "LIFS", but they only do big gigs at festivals outside of the U.S. I am right about TS not doing well in America.
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Posted 2014-09-27 2:19 PM (#34328 - in reply to #34269)
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I would choose Twisted Sister with a new singer and new material above Twisted Sister with Dee and no new songs. What can they bring at this point? They are travelling the world for several years now, they played at the biggest festivals in Europe. I would not mind to see them every year in Belgium but how many people feel this way? Not many I think. They can't keep on doing these festivals with the same show and songs, people will get tired of them even in Europe. So what can they do? Play in Australia and Japan as many local fans ask? Maybe Wacken once more? If Twisted Sister doesn't bring out new material they are finished maybe not in 2015 but the time will come that it will be too much for too few. So it'is my believe that TS has more need of new material than that they need Dee. If Dee retires TS should do the same unless they find a new singer to record new songs with. Maybe S. Bach is allready tired of being a solo artist?
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Posted 2014-09-27 2:25 PM (#34329 - in reply to #34269)
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If they are so big in Sweden, then why don't they play any arenas in Sweden? Why do the only do the festival?
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Posted 2014-09-28 3:37 AM (#34333 - in reply to #34317)
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Armadillo - 2014-09-25 11:20 PM
Fast Joey - 2014-09-22 6:54 PM 
 I think Armadillo could do it.
 

Yes, but unfortunately, there's a thing. 
There is a height requirement for the job. And I'm a foot too short. 
There is also a hair requirement. And I'm as bald as a cue ball. 
There's also that singing thing. And my vocal cords are too damaged. 
There's the "must-have-a-body-like-a-greek-god" and ruggedly handsome rock star looks....and I'm....well. .................

Sorry Terry - missed this post or I would have to have commented earlier!!!   ............. don't suppose you've thought about standing in for AJ when he's busy?       


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Posted 2014-09-29 11:07 PM (#34350 - in reply to #34329)
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Rock10 - 2014-09-27 2:25 PM

If they are so big in Sweden, then why don't they play any arenas in Sweden? Why do the only do the festival?


They do play arenas in Sweden. They played one last December--it was packed solid! (it was a great show, too! Sandviken, Sweden)
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Posted 2014-09-29 11:15 PM (#34351 - in reply to #34328)
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Hellburner - 2014-09-27 2:19 PM

I would choose Twisted Sister with a new singer and new material above Twisted Sister with Dee and no new songs. What can they bring at this point? They are travelling the world for several years now, they played at the biggest festivals in Europe. I would not mind to see them every year in Belgium but how many people feel this way? Not many I think. They can't keep on doing these festivals with the same show and songs, people will get tired of them even in Europe. So what can they do? Play in Australia and Japan as many local fans ask? Maybe Wacken once more? If Twisted Sister doesn't bring out new material they are finished maybe not in 2015 but the time will come that it will be too much for too few. So it'is my believe that TS has more need of new material than that they need Dee. If Dee retires TS should do the same unless they find a new singer to record new songs with. Maybe S. Bach is allready tired of being a solo artist?


Well. I just know this. They have DEMOLISHED every single festival they played last tour. I mean, seriously…every single one. Even the shows where we thought it wasn't their best, the local newspapers and reviews all gave TS the highest marks as the best band of the festival--even over Metallica and Manowar. Here's another interesting thing--if people are "bored", then why are they staying? For TS, the promoters all comment that the Twisted Sister audiences are packed solid all the way back. When Slayer and other headliners went on, the crowds thinned. Yet…when TS headlined…the crowds were insanely packed until the last song. So obviously, there are still fans interested and engaged. What can they bring? They bring exactly what they always bring--the best damn live heavy metal performance out there.

Play Australia and Japan? Hell yeah, bring it on. I'll open up a new credit card just for that. well, I'll have to…because the one I have is maxed out thanks to the 2014 tour. Umm. Oops. Good times.

Personally, I'll take Twisted Sister WITH Dee, new songs or no new songs. Dee solo? I'm there. Twisted Sister without Dee? Yep. I'll be there, too. Why should we have to pick?
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Posted 2014-09-30 6:40 AM (#34353 - in reply to #34351)
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Armadillo - 2014-09-29 5:15 AM

Play Australia and Japan? Hell yeah, bring it on. I'll open up a new credit card just for that. well, I'll have to…because the one I have is maxed out thanks to the 2014 tour. Umm. Oops. Good times.

Personally, I'll take Twisted Sister WITH Dee, new songs or no new songs. Dee solo? I'm there. Twisted Sister without Dee? Yep. I'll be there, too. Why should we have to pick?


Isn't that the subject? If Dee leaves, what should they do? I don't want to choose, but if it was up to me, that would be my opinion. What you say about Slayer is absolutely true, but you have to bear in mind that Slayer didn't take a break for several years like TS. If TS continues like this doing the same as they do now you will see the same crowdresponse as you see with Slayer. If TS would headline Graspop, Bang Your Head or Sweden Rock again next year I'm pretty sure that there will be a lot of negative reactions about it. You can't keep on doing the same festivals with always the same music. Dee thinks that making new music these days is a waste of time and money but look at the attention AC/DC gets now that they announced a new album...

Edited by Hellburner 2014-09-30 6:42 AM
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Posted 2014-09-30 10:18 AM (#34355 - in reply to #34350)
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Armadillo - 2014-09-29 11:07 PM

Rock10 - 2014-09-27 2:25 PM

If they are so big in Sweden, then why don't they play any arenas in Sweden? Why do the only do the festival?


They do play arenas in Sweden. They played one last December--it was packed solid! (it was a great show, too! Sandviken, Sweden)


They played it with Europe, and 5,000 tickets were sold.
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Posted 2014-09-30 12:42 PM (#34357 - in reply to #34355)
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Rock10 - 2014-09-30 4:18 PM

Armadillo - 2014-09-29 11:07 PM

Rock10 - 2014-09-27 2:25 PM

If they are so big in Sweden, then why don't they play any arenas in Sweden? Why do the only do the festival?


They do play arenas in Sweden. They played one last December--it was packed solid! (it was a great show, too! Sandviken, Sweden)


They played it with Europe, and 5,000 tickets were sold.


Once again I don't get the point you're trying to make. I believe you're an SMF and I have educated myself to tolerate everyone's opinion on a fan-forum on whatever website but your constant negative or meaningless comments are actually starting to bore me, sorry to say ! If you like, tell me something about your person, how old are you, where did you see TS for the first time, have you ever seen TS live ? Maybe, if you could answer these questions it could help me to understand what you're trying to bring across here. So far I just don't get it.............

Is 5.000 people at an indoor show bad ? If you are referring to Sandviken it was a 10.000 seater by the way (not all people might have come to see TS because Europe was also on bill but still.....)

Don't want to sound harsh here and I don't want to start a big discussion............I'm just interested.

Take care and stay twisted.

SMF, Germany

Edited by SMF, Germany 2014-09-30 12:45 PM
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Posted 2014-09-30 11:59 PM (#34364 - in reply to #34353)
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Hellburner - 2014-09-30 6:40 AM

Armadillo - 2014-09-29 5:15 AM

Play Australia and Japan? Hell yeah, bring it on. I'll open up a new credit card just for that. well, I'll have to…because the one I have is maxed out thanks to the 2014 tour. Umm. Oops. Good times.

Personally, I'll take Twisted Sister WITH Dee, new songs or no new songs. Dee solo? I'm there. Twisted Sister without Dee? Yep. I'll be there, too. Why should we have to pick?


Isn't that the subject? If Dee leaves, what should they do? I don't want to choose, but if it was up to me, that would be my opinion. What you say about Slayer is absolutely true, but you have to bear in mind that Slayer didn't take a break for several years like TS. If TS continues like this doing the same as they do now you will see the same crowdresponse as you see with Slayer. If TS would headline Graspop, Bang Your Head or Sweden Rock again next year I'm pretty sure that there will be a lot of negative reactions about it. You can't keep on doing the same festivals with always the same music. Dee thinks that making new music these days is a waste of time and money but look at the attention AC/DC gets now that they announced a new album...


And THAT….is why I believe we will see Twisted Sister retire in the not-so-distant future. They have said that they want to go out on top--and right now, they are definitely on top. They played Graspop back to back years--and the response was great. So maybe next year we'll see some festivals and countries that they've never played before…and they'll go out with a helluva bang. (I would love new music/new album but I've stopped holding onto that hope.) I would like a few more years--til 2020 would be nice. :-) I'll settle for 2017!
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Posted 2014-10-27 11:36 PM (#34440 - in reply to #34269)
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This question sounds like a blasphemy and just makes me sad
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Posted 2014-10-28 5:25 AM (#34442 - in reply to #34269)
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hi
without dee there is no twisted sister, its just the way it is, you could get away with replacing a different band member but not the lead singer.
I am really looking forward to hearing play some widowmaker,solo and desperado stuff live (please no broadway or xmas songs).
my prediction is nothing from ts in 2015, then a coap anniversary tour in 2016.
its only rock n roll.
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Posted 2014-10-29 7:14 AM (#34444 - in reply to #34269)
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RIGHT ON!!!
I Agree :D

Though, i think Sebastian Bach had some reherseals with the TS boys around 2006-2007?
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Posted 2014-10-30 7:55 AM (#34445 - in reply to #34440)
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Katerina - 2014-10-27 5:36 AM

This question sounds like a blasphemy and just makes me sad


Not thinking about the future of Twisted Sister is blasphemy! Everybody here on this slamboard seems to have settled with the thought that TS will stop playing in the not so distant future. Why should we have to agree with that? They are a band, the core business of a band is making new music and playing live music for the fans. Now they only play for the fans and everybody is ok with that, because the band itself told a new album isn't going to happen? Screw that! I don't want TS to quit next year or even not in 5 years. But if they keep on doing what they are doing now, they aren't going to quit on a high note but they are just going to disappear like a 70's - 80's band that did some live shows at the end of their career. And that's something nobody wants. You may say that they play the best live rock music these days, and you can back it up with articles and reviews. But in most cases TS played there for the first time in 30 years. Nobody expects it from a 'nostalgia'band to be this energetic and good. They are used to listen to the uninspirated music of bands like Europe. So most of them are just in shock about what they have seen. At Graspop in 2012 everybody called TS best of the festival and it absoluty was, but in 2013 when everybody knew what to expect, very few were naming them as the best. By the way I don't believe that they are on their top now like Armadillo said. TS doesn't sell out shows or festivals on their own. People come to does festivals because of the festival and the other bands, there is only a small part of them that bought their ticket just for TS and that saddens me. At Alcatraz Metal Meeting this year there were 5000 people, and that was a headlining show for Twisted Sister with W.A.S.P. as sub. At most other festivals they aren't the headliner, because of the low amounts of people that just come for TS. They headlined Copenhell for 20.000 people but that's a festival that's well know in Denmark. At Rock am See in Austria they booked Slayer as headliner instead of TS... And you all think that this is Twisted Sister at it's best? You all believe that they can't do better? Well I think that's blasphemy. It's not wrong when you think about Sebastian Bach to replace Dee, it's just hoping that your favourite band keeps on playing and keeps on making new music. In they wanted to go out with a bang, they should have quit playing after Graspop 2012. Then people would still have been shouting for them to come back. Now I only here people from Australia and Japan shouting.

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Posted 2014-10-30 9:11 PM (#34449 - in reply to #34445)
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Hellburner - 2014-10-30 7:55 AM

Katerina - 2014-10-27 5:36 AM

This question sounds like a blasphemy and just makes me sad


Not thinking about the future of Twisted Sister is blasphemy! Everybody here on this slamboard seems to have settled with the thought that TS will stop playing in the not so distant future. Why should we have to agree with that? They are a band, the core business of a band is making new music and playing live music for the fans. Now they only play for the fans and everybody is ok with that, because the band itself told a new album isn't going to happen? Screw that! I don't want TS to quit next year or even not in 5 years. But if they keep on doing what they are doing now, they aren't going to quit on a high note but they are just going to disappear like a 70's - 80's band that did some live shows at the end of their career. And that's something nobody wants. You may say that they play the best live rock music these days, and you can back it up with articles and reviews. But in most cases TS played there for the first time in 30 years. Nobody expects it from a 'nostalgia'band to be this energetic and good. They are used to listen to the uninspirated music of bands like Europe. So most of them are just in shock about what they have seen. At Graspop in 2012 everybody called TS best of the festival and it absoluty was, but in 2013 when everybody knew what to expect, very few were naming them as the best. By the way I don't believe that they are on their top now like Armadillo said. TS doesn't sell out shows or festivals on their own. People come to does festivals because of the festival and the other bands, there is only a small part of them that bought their ticket just for TS and that saddens me. At Alcatraz Metal Meeting this year there were 5000 people, and that was a headlining show for Twisted Sister with W.A.S.P. as sub. At most other festivals they aren't the headliner, because of the low amounts of people that just come for TS. They headlined Copenhell for 20.000 people but that's a festival that's well know in Denmark. At Rock am See in Austria they booked Slayer as headliner instead of TS... And you all think that this is Twisted Sister at it's best? You all believe that they can't do better? Well I think that's blasphemy. It's not wrong when you think about Sebastian Bach to replace Dee, it's just hoping that your favourite band keeps on playing and keeps on making new music. In they wanted to go out with a bang, they should have quit playing after Graspop 2012. Then people would still have been shouting for them to come back. Now I only here people from Australia and Japan shouting.



Hi Hellburner:
Well, I do agree with you that Twisted Sister alone would not sell out a 20,000 festival on their own…but I would argue that NONE of the bands on those bills would have been able to sell out an entire festival grounds on their own, with the exception of perhaps Metallica. (Who incidentally, did NOT get as good a review in the local press as Twisted did) It's true that Slayer was booked as the headliner in Austria. It's also true that more than half the people walked out 3 songs in. Seriously. They left in droves. (And I love Slayer, one of my favorites) Every time TS played, and it truly didn't matter where, the place was packed nuts to butts. Twisted still gets the gigs because promoters love them--why? The place gets packed when TS plays--and when the fans stay, more concessions get sold, more money made. Almost like the club attraction but on a much larger scale. Graspop 2012 was truly one of the best performances I've seen from them--that show was special, and if it had all ended there, I wouldn't have blamed them a bit. Jay Jay even remarked to me, after that gig "I think this could have been the last show!" But it wasn't. And here we are, having this discussion once more.

I have seen many metal bands play at these festivals who sound and perform badly: Motley Crue? Most dreadful act I've ever seen. Even the Swedes were stunned into silence. Horrible and embarrassing. They are doing a farewell tour now but past due. Def Leppard? The vocals aren't there anymore. I was so disappointed. I could list maybe 20 so bands that I absolutely love, and saw them in the 80's and 90's that now... made me cringe. I would never want to see Twisted Sister perform like that--as much as I love them, it would be better to see them go out playing at the intensity that they are currently playing--the intensity that they played in 2012 at Graspop. And if that means that 2015 is the last time I put on the black and pink, I'll be sad but I can respect it. If they try out a new singer, it won't be the same, but I was a skeptic with Sammy Hagar and I ended up loving Van Hagar all the same.

If they are screaming in Japan and Australia, then perhaps TS needs to go play there instead of Europe. To me, nothing would be better than a farewell show in Japan in front of a bazillion Japanese metal heads screaming their heads off. (Of course, I would love a small Bent Brother show in a tiny club on Long Island to say thanks to the old schoolers…but that's another story)
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Posted 2014-11-05 12:42 PM (#34458 - in reply to #34269)
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As this subject seems to energize the fan base, I thought I would chime in. Yes, new recorded material would be nice however let us really take a look at what all the classic touring bands are doing. First, they tour so they have no choice but to release new product so as to help the publicity machine. We realized 12 years ago that for complicated reasons, we could never tour again which is why we only play occasionally. It was never a plan to go after the big shot again. we had no idea how the world looked at us. Happily the world did care. We started out thinking that maybe a couple of festivals would contact us as we can only play 10-20 times a year. To our shock we have now played over 150 shows since our return and headlined 90% of them which is why we are considered on of the top festival headline acts in the world.
The difference in the way we are presented and the song choices we make are really not that much different from any other major headliner. most classic bands have their core 15 songs that they have to play. They start out their new tour and cd with a belief that fans want to hear the new stuff. Most of the bands only change up about 5 songs. They call the tour the name of the album and play the 5 new songs in the set. Many think that it is somehow new when it is really not....but within a week or 2 most of the bands realize that the new stuff, no matter how good it may sound to them, isn't going over too well so they start cutting down the new stuff. The last time I saw ac/dc about 3 years ago, they were down to only 2 songs from the new album. When I saw the Stones 2 years ago they did one song that was recorded after 1986.How many new songs do KISS play 2, 3 maybe? Most people can't wait to get past them so they can hear what they know. That is just the reality of the situation. This is not an excuse to not record new stuff, its just to make you aware of the manipulation that all these bands go through to mke you belive that your getting something really different. You are not, trust me

Twisted Sister is only one of maybe 20 Metal acts in the world that knows how to entertain crowds upwards of 100,000+ people. That's why promoters hire us. This past summer was probably the most incredible so far. In Austria, the promoter apologized for having Slayer go on after us. Why? Because more then half the crowd left after our show. At Graspop we were the fist band ever to go from special guest to headliner 2 years in a row. The night we headlined we had 50,000 who stayed in the pouring rain. The year before, when Guns n Roses headlined in the rain only 15,000 remained out of 80,000.

This year we were a special guest at Heavy Montreal. Metallica headlined on a Saturday and Slayer headlined on the next night (Sunday). Did you see the reviews?? The biggest metal blog wrote the 5 things we learned about the Montreal Metal Fest. the countdown got to no. 2 and we hadn't been mentioned so I thought that somehow we lost it. Boy was I wrong. The person wrote the "Twisted Sister kicked everyones ass" Same thing in the regular newspapers. And to make that review even more incredible, we had flown in from Belgium the night before, didn't sleep for 30 hours and still took out a field of the heaviest acts on the planet.

Twisted Sister is an annual festival event to be enjoyed once a year when you a partying with your friends. We are totally comfortable with that and the day that any band can kick our ass is probably the day we will retire. I, however don't see any band that can deliver the intense live performance that we do regardless of how young they are.That's because we still care and never phone it in like nearly all the other bands that we play with

Our Christmas album was a huge gamble which we took and it did commercially better (250,000 sales worldwide) then anyone ever expected. That was a crazy experiment and was a lot of fun! The music was totally different and those who saw it know what kind of a production and spectacle we created.

I've said this many times before and I will say it again. We do what we do, we play what we play and one day we will stop. That could be tomorrow. Enjoy it while you can. I certainly do
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Posted 2014-11-05 4:26 PM (#34459 - in reply to #34269)
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Hi Jay Jay,

All I can say is, long may it continue. I just hope that a Bent Brother show can happen in the UK on the back of a TS show.



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Posted 2014-11-13 7:12 PM (#34465 - in reply to #34269)
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i would go and see any club/theatre shows in the uk southeast with TS band members.

JJ singing would be amazing. a replacement singer i guess is down to individual taste but would still go. would rather see the original members singing though.

just seen some amazing uli jon roth doing early scorpions shows here, he always seems to have different singers and it's always good.