The Orginial Twisted Sister
Jaysin
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Dee always claims on stage that the "popular" lineup is the original. We all know this is not the case.

Kinda like when he says "Under The Blade" is the first song he ever wrote. I asked him on Dee Speaks a few years ago and his answers conceded that it's not at all true. It's something like the first song that was written of all the songs we hear on the albums.

So at any rate...what is the ACTUAL original Twisted Sister lineup?
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Posted 2008-12-08 3:56 PM (#17596 - in reply to #17594)
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I could be wrong, and I'm sure someone will correct me...but I think it was:

Jay Jay, Eddie, Kenny Neill (bass), and Mel Anderson (drums)...that was like 1972?

Dee joined in 1976 I think....
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Wait, here's more...

Pre-Dee period (1972–1976)

Twisted Sister was formed in December 1972 by guitarist Jay Jay French. In 1975, Eddie "Fingers" Ojeda,a former high school friend of French, joined as co-lead singer andsecond guitarist. He had previously recorded with a New York City bandcalled SPV.Kevin John Grace replaced Mel "Starr" Anderson on drums. Bass guitaristKenny Neill (Kenneth Harrisson-Neill) completed the lineup. The bandfollowed a glam rock direction, influenced by David Bowie, Slade, Mott the Hoople, Humble Pie, and New York Dolls. It played at local clubs without much success until 1976.

Club days (1976–1982)

In early 1976, Dee Sniderjoined the band as lead vocalist and principal songwriter. Afterreplacing drummer Grace with Tony Petri, the group took a heaviermusical direction, influenced by Motörhead, Black Sabbath, and Alice Cooper, but without abandoning its glam image.

! Although glam was out of fashion in those days, Snider's phenomenal abilities as frontman propelled the band to considerable local success. It broke attendance records at large halls in the Tri-State Regionand its growing fan base began to take the name "S.M.F.F.O.T.S.", forSick Motherfucking Friends Of Twisted Sister. Later shortened to"S.M.F." for "Sick Mother Fuckers." No record labelwas interested in signing the band, so in 1979 it released the single"I'll Never Grow Up Now" / "Under the Blade" on their own label,Twisted Sister Records, followed in 1980 by "Bad Boys (Of Rock &Roll)" / "Lady's Boy".Eddie Kramer produced both singles.

In this period, the group's membership changed. On October 31, 1978, Neill left the band, the band's roadie and friend, Mark "The Very Scary Animal" Mendoza, formerly bassist for The Dictators, replaced him. In December 1980, Petri also left for the Plasmaticsand was replaced briefly by Ritchie Teeter. Teeter, also formerly ofThe Dictators, was replaced in that band by Mel Anderson. In April1981, Teeter was replaced by "Fast" Joey Brighton, who was in turnreplaced by A.J. Pero from Cities, another unsigned band with local fame.

This lineup—Dee Snider, Jay Jay French, Eddie Ojeda, Mark Mendozaand A.J. Pero recorded four studio albums and perform numerous liveshows around the world.


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Posted 2008-12-08 4:18 PM (#17598 - in reply to #17594)
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Yeah we all know the history. The point is, why does Dee continuously make a point to say that this reformed lineup is the ORIGINAL, when it's clearly not. It's not like it's a secret as it's documented everywhere including their albums of lineup changes from day 73-87. I'm not mad or annoyed by any means. It's just a curious thing.

He's been stating for like 5 years now that other reunited bands have as few as 1 original 1 member while TS has all 5.

Motley Crue has all 4 guys...does Poison too? I'm sure there are some others.
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Posted 2008-12-08 5:55 PM (#17603 - in reply to #17594)
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Oh, Ok...sorry Jaysin....I thought you wanted an answer to the question "So at any rate...what is the ACTUAL original Twisted Sister lineup?" Now I'm confused....

I guess your question is kind of a rhetorical one then....I guess what Dee is kind of referring to would be like Axl Rose calling his new band "Guns and Roses"...what the fuck is that shit?

It would have been like Dee calling Widowmaker "Twisted Sister". It just wouldn't be right...right?
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Posted 2008-12-08 6:07 PM (#17604 - in reply to #17598)
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He says its the Original lineup because thats when the albums started and when they made it big.... Anything before that is a Mute point..

Hope that answers your question.
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Posted 2008-12-08 6:22 PM (#17606 - in reply to #17594)
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Yeah that's what I figure, but it's definitely a misleading fact especially for those who are unfamiliar with their history.

Imagine talking to someone younger who just started going to their shows. Perhaps they'd be "educating" their friend about the current reunited Twisted lineup up. Overhearing the people who are under the impression that no other musicians were before these 5 guys(this is what "original" means) you'd think they were pretty ignorant. To butt in the conversation and tell them they are mistaken as they've had several other members prior to these 5 they'd perhaps retort with "Dee even says it live, so why should I believe you?".

Didn't didn't actually happen, but it could easily arise.

I don't give a fuck that they are not the original members...it doesn't change the quality of their performance, musicianship, song quality.
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Posted 2008-12-08 9:25 PM (#17609 - in reply to #17597)
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Fast Joey - 2008-12-08 4:06 PM

Wait, here's more...

Pre-Dee period (1972–1976)

Twisted Sister was formed in December 1972 by guitarist Jay Jay French. In 1975, Eddie "Fingers" Ojeda,a former high school friend of French, joined as co-lead singer andsecond guitarist. He had previously recorded with a New York City bandcalled SPV.Kevin John Grace replaced Mel "Starr" Anderson on drums. Bass guitaristKenny Neill (Kenneth Harrisson-Neill) completed the lineup. The bandfollowed a glam rock direction, influenced by David Bowie, Slade, Mott the Hoople, Humble Pie, and New York Dolls. It played at local clubs without much success until 1976.

Club days (1976–1982)

In early 1976, Dee Sniderjoined the band as lead vocalist and principal songwriter. Afterreplacing drummer Grace with Tony Petri, the group took a heaviermusical direction, influenced by Motörhead, Black Sabbath, and Alice Cooper, but without abandoning its glam image.

! Although glam was out of fashion in those days, Snider's phenomenal abilities as frontman propelled the band to considerable local success. It broke attendance records at large halls in the Tri-State Regionand its growing fan base began to take the name "S.M.F.F.O.T.S.", forSick Motherfucking Friends Of Twisted Sister. Later shortened to"S.M.F." for "Sick Mother Fuckers." No record labelwas interested in signing the band, so in 1979 it released the single"I'll Never Grow Up Now" / "Under the Blade" on their own label,Twisted Sister Records, followed in 1980 by "Bad Boys (Of Rock &Roll)" / "Lady's Boy".Eddie Kramer produced both singles.

In this period, the group's membership changed. On October 31, 1978, Neill left the band, the band's roadie and friend, Mark "The Very Scary Animal" Mendoza, formerly bassist for The Dictators, replaced him. In December 1980, Petri also left for the Plasmaticsand was replaced briefly by Ritchie Teeter. Teeter, also formerly ofThe Dictators, was replaced in that band by Mel Anderson. In April1981, Teeter was replaced by "Fast" Joey Brighton, who was in turnreplaced by A.J. Pero from Cities, another unsigned band with local fame.

This lineup—Dee Snider, Jay Jay French, Eddie Ojeda, Mark Mendozaand A.J. Pero recorded four studio albums and perform numerous liveshows around the world.



you got this from Wikipeadia right?

Edited by biggestfan 2008-12-08 9:25 PM
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Posted 2008-12-09 2:07 AM (#17613 - in reply to #17594)
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Well, Hey Jaysin-- not to change the subject- only briefly but short on time playing catch up for the work I missed at work, but had to say Hi and Wow- that was fun man!!! our after show party was great! . Those two days are some of the most fun Ive had in a while, despite getting a little sick at the end of the night, I didnt even care that was just so much fun ! -- we have to do it again sometime when we can-- You my friend remind me so much of the bar days lets get down and have some fun peeps- Your awesome Jaysin, a really unsealfish cool guy. as far as im concerned its trully a pleasure to call you a friend!-- / also it was so great to meet in person all the other really great peeps and wanted to thank and say hi to Armadillo , Brian, Don,Donna,Mark, Cyndi of course God and so many others. and Laura ! that was so cool-- at some point please tell me again what your last name was-- and also Dee and JJ , whom I wish I got more chance to talk to. I spent to much time tring to figure out who stole my bunch of stuff I bought and my 28 year old bad boys summer tour shirt the stuff was wraped up in. thus made the mistake of letting it cut into my chat time with band members , oh well -- all in all what fun! and hopefully Twisted knows -- Yea - there are still some old bar peeps that still love to jump and dance all night-- Thanks Dee for helping to keep me Rockin like that after all those years ! and all of TS for that matter -- what a great time those two days were !
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Posted 2008-12-09 7:01 AM (#17622 - in reply to #17609)
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biggestfan - 2008-12-08 9:25 PM
Fast Joey - 2008-12-08 4:06 PMWait, here's more...

Pre-Dee period (1972–1976)

Twisted Sister was formed in December 1972 by guitarist Jay Jay French. In 1975, Eddie "Fingers" Ojeda,a former high school friend of French, joined as co-lead singer andsecond guitarist. He had previously recorded with a New York City bandcalled SPV.Kevin John Grace replaced Mel "Starr" Anderson on drums. Bass guitaristKenny Neill (Kenneth Harrisson-Neill) completed the lineup. The bandfollowed a glam rock direction, influenced by David Bowie, Slade, Mott the Hoople, Humble Pie, and New York Dolls. It played at local clubs without much success until 1976.

Club days (1976–1982)

In early 1976, Dee Sniderjoined the band as lead vocalist and principal songwriter. Afterreplacing drummer Grace with Tony Petri, the group took a heaviermusical direction, influenced by Motörhead, Black Sabbath, and Alice Cooper, but without abandoning its glam image.

! Although glam was out of fashion in those days, Snider's phenomenal abilities as frontman propelled the band to considerable local success. It broke attendance records at large halls in the Tri-State Regionand its growing fan base began to take the name "S.M.F.F.O.T.S.", forSick Motherfucking Friends Of Twisted Sister. Later shortened to"S.M.F." for "Sick Mother Fuckers." No record labelwas interested in signing the band, so in 1979 it released the single"I'll Never Grow Up Now" / "Under the Blade" on their own label,Twisted Sister Records, followed in 1980 by "Bad Boys (Of Rock &Roll)" / "Lady's Boy".Eddie Kramer produced both singles.

In this period, the group's membership changed. On October 31, 1978, Neill left the band, the band's roadie and friend, Mark "The Very Scary Animal" Mendoza, formerly bassist for The Dictators, replaced him. In December 1980, Petri also left for the Plasmaticsand was replaced briefly by Ritchie Teeter. Teeter, also formerly ofThe Dictators, was replaced in that band by Mel Anderson. In April1981, Teeter was replaced by "Fast" Joey Brighton, who was in turnreplaced by A.J. Pero from Cities, another unsigned band with local fame.

This lineup—Dee Snider, Jay Jay French, Eddie Ojeda, Mark Mendozaand A.J. Pero recorded four studio albums and perform numerous liveshows around the world.


you got this from Wikipeadia right?



Yeah, isn't that awesome???
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Posted 2008-12-09 6:43 PM (#17634 - in reply to #17613)
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Jim Hudson - 2008-12-09 2:07 AM

Well, Hey Jaysin-- not to change the subject- only briefly but short on time playing catch up for the work I missed at work, but had to say Hi and Wow- that was fun man!!! our after show party was great! . Those two days are some of the most fun Ive had in a while, despite getting a little sick at the end of the night, I didnt even care that was just so much fun ! -- we have to do it again sometime when we can-- You my friend remind me so much of the bar days lets get down and have some fun peeps- Your awesome Jaysin, a really unsealfish cool guy. as far as im concerned its trully a pleasure to call you a friend!-- / also it was so great to meet in person all the other really great peeps and wanted to thank and say hi to Armadillo , Brian, Don,Donna,Mark, Cyndi of course God and so many others. and Laura ! that was so cool-- at some point please tell me again what your last name was-- and also Dee and JJ , whom I wish I got more chance to talk to. I spent to much time tring to figure out who stole my bunch of stuff I bought and my 28 year old bad boys summer tour shirt the stuff was wraped up in. thus made the mistake of letting it cut into my chat time with band members , oh well -- all in all what fun! and hopefully Twisted knows -- Yea - there are still some old bar peeps that still love to jump and dance all night-- Thanks Dee for helping to keep me Rockin like that after all those years ! and all of TS for that matter -- what a great time those two days were !



Jim...I'm right there with ya bro! Such a good time from Friday evening to Sunday morning. It's always the highlight of the year...this is right up there with Vegas. Not only seeing Twisted but bangin heads will all the great SMF's out there! A few were noticeably missing...notably Joe Rock and MP1975. BUMMER!!!! Sharing my place with Corey, introducing TS live to a few of my friends, chummin with rest of the fans and to learn of all that is in store for us in 2009...What else could an SMF ask for?
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Posted 2008-12-10 3:34 AM (#17640 - in reply to #17594)
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Yea -- also Ill e-mail you or pm you or something when I can . They are slaming me big time at work -- ha s been real hard changing big motors etc being sick and under some really bad conditions , they had me soaking wet all night my first night back changing a big motor-- anyway ill try and comunicate more as soon as I get better and caught up a little here, even if it takes a couple or weeks - yea things can be tough here.-- But I so love The whole TS thing and all my great friends such as yourself , talk soon --- Jim / Ps to the other's- sorry to have gotten away from the subject, just wanted to say Hi to Jaysin quick-- I had been thinkin Tring to help the boyz a little etc -- I think what Dee ment was the TS band was still original in his eyes of they still are the same after many years shortly after he got in, they played bars back as far as the satillite lounge , but the real rockin bar days happened for years after that and they still are much the same now( ok not exactly ,but hey whos complaining?)-- Dees cool , and im pretty sure thats what he ment, as I sort of can see that from my experiance back at the bars, personally I dont think we should make to much out of it, you know sometimes peeps say things figuring people wont look at it under a microscope and all. -- at any rate isnt it so great TS lives on !!! - for that I sure feel fortunate - wow was that a good time !!!

Edited by Jim Hudson 2008-12-10 3:51 AM
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Posted 2008-12-10 4:36 AM (#17642 - in reply to #17594)
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Well five years is five years as far as drummers -- what can I say, most ofr TS the same-- Tring to help the guy and all. and for most of the serious bar days the band was pretty much the same except for that --- TS f-in Rocks --we should be happy , I thought. And thats cool that Joey reminded us of dates of records etc. Id remembered getting the first 45 and ep in the bars but the exact dates was hard for me to remember -- well done!

Edited by Jim Hudson 2008-12-10 4:42 AM
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Posted 2008-12-10 10:58 AM (#17650 - in reply to #17594)
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I thought that they didn't use the name Twisted Sister until Dee joined? Can't remember where I heard that at all. But if they did change it then, then it would be the original line up.
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Posted 2008-12-10 12:26 PM (#17652 - in reply to #17594)
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They used the name Twisted sister. It may not be the orginial line up but it's the lineup the world know and love (or hate) lol
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Well, according to Jay Jay........this is it.

And another awesome TS historian is Rami: http://gamma.nic.fi/~rheikkil/lineups.htm

Twisted Sistory … In The Beginning

My friends,

I put my foot into it, so now I am gonna have to write something. Bear with me as I have no copy editor and only a shell of an idea about this.

It would be easy to just say that on such and such a date this or that happened and it may come down to that and my typing is hunt and peck so this could be a long process but…here it goes:

I feel that before this exercise of memory retention starts to either entertain or unravel, I want to give a 'Cliff Notes' sketch of an experience that really was responsible for my meeting certain important people in the TS timeline, that can fill in the holes.

I picked the one experience that, without my being there, the band would not have happened, period. I won't dwell on this stuff, meaning that the facts will pour out and if you don’t follow closely, it will start to sound like the 'Kevin Bacon Six Degrees of Separation' phenomenon. I suppose a case could be made that all coincidence starts with which sperm runs into what egg. Don't worry, I will not go down that path!

It began on the island of Bermuda, in the summer of 1969.

A friend of mine convinced me to go there. It was only $85.00 round trip from NY. He said he had a friend down there who would give us a place to crash. We got down there very quickly; it only takes 1 hour 40 minutes to fly there from Newark, NJ. It was the day before my birthday, July 19th.

Within hours I met several local musicians, who I am still friends with to this day. One of them was a bass player named David Perry.

One of the best things about Bermuda was partying on the beach all night and watching the sunrise. One morning, while watching one of those beautiful sunrises, I heard a voice that sounded like it came from Brooklyn.

It did.

It was the voice of our future soundman and one of my closest friends, Charlie 'sixth sister' Barreca. That’s how we met.

I stayed in Bermuda for almost a month. In fact, the day I came back to NY was one day before Woodstock. I did not go to up to the Woodstock festival because I was way too burnt out to get it together.

I went back to Bermuda many times over the next couple of years to visit and stay with David Perry.

In the spring of 1972 David called to say that he was moving to New Jersey with a girl he met in Bermuda. He called me from the house in Fords, NJ a couple of days after he got there. He asked me if I would like to come out to jam with him and a drummer who lived next door to this girl that he was living with.

The drummer's name was Tony Petri.

That jam session led to the formation of a band called 'Maxwell Benjamin'

However, just weeks before that band was formed, I auditioned for a band that was called 'Wicked Lester'. The auditioning process took about 2 weeks and, of course, I didn't get the gig

I was still a Grateful Dead fanatic at the time and I did not see the 'Glitter' thing coming.

Yet.

Maxwell Benjamin covered a lot of Allman Bros. Music as well as current fm radio hits of the day. We all moved into a hippie commune in the mountains of Wilkes Barre PA. in July '72.

We rehearsed for about six weeks, came back to Jersey, got our first and only gig at a club in Greenwood Lake, NY, called 'Mothers', and broke up after the other guitar player got beaten up in bar fight, over a girl who was trying to get her boyfriend jealous at the club. My amp was stolen as well. So much for my first bar experience.

I came back to NYC, saw David Bowie at Carnegie Hall in September, cut my hair into a shag, completely exorcised any hippie affectations, and set out to join a 'Glitter' band. I answered an ad in the Village Voice for a guitar player who was into glitter, make up, etc. When I called the number, who was on the other end of the line but Paul Stanley. I told him that I completely changed. He told me that they just hired a guitarist from White Plains, named Paul (Ace) Frehley. They decided to call the band Kiss and did I want to come down to a rehearsal to check them out.

I went down to their loft on 23rd street, saw them rehearse and realized that change was in the air.

So, here I am. Now it's December of '72, sitting in my apartment in Manhattan ,wondering how the fuck am I going to join a 'Glitter' band, when the phone rings.

It's Tony Petri.

He says that he is in a new band and his agent told him that one of his other new bands, 'called Silverstar', was looking for a guitar player into Bowie, Reed, Mott, Slade etc. and did he have a suggestion. Tony said that he knew a guy in NYC who was really into it and gave my phone number to him. The agent called Mell Anderson, the drummer for Silverstar. Mell called me and asked if I would like to audition for his band.

I auditioned for Silverstar the week before Christmas. I was asked to join that night.

On the last Tuesday of March '73, we walked on stage at the Satellite Lounge in Wrightstown NJ, right next to the Ft. Lee army base. The club was a former bowling alley. It could hold about 3,000 people.

On this night there were about 28.

We called the band TWISTED SISTER.


Jaysin - 2008-12-08 10:17 AM

Dee always claims on stage that the "popular" lineup is the original. We all know this is not the case.

Kinda like when he says "Under The Blade" is the first song he ever wrote. I asked him on Dee Speaks a few years ago and his answers conceded that it's not at all true. It's something like the first song that was written of all the songs we hear on the albums.

So at any rate...what is the ACTUAL original Twisted Sister lineup?


Edited by SMF Cyndi 2008-12-10 3:35 PM
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And I was born the very next week! April 6, 1973. Twisted Sister, Watergate and Jaysin. Would've been cool to be born one week later on Friday the 13th.
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Ah geeze, you are so young.....and Friday the 13th would have ruled!



Jaysin - 2008-12-10 1:19 PM

And I was born the very next week! April 6, 1973. Twisted Sister, Watergate and Jaysin. Would've been cool to be born one week later on Friday the 13th.